Since I already understand who the REAL JEWS are in Paul's context and today's context,I though to save you time and redirect you in your quest to free me from the doctrine of Devils...
I APPRECIATE your help ,just direct it accordingly.
In Jesus's days context the Jews represented some kind of physical group....
SO WE HAVE to interpret some prophecies in this light.
The promises made to DAVID were made with this definition in mind I think ,so the bones are not resurrected yet and David will be ruling over them after the resurrection time in the future
Ezekiel 37 verse 13
"And ye shall know that I am the Lord when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves."
Ver. 14, "And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live..."
Ver. 23, "Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, so shall they be my people, and I will be their God."
Ver. 25, "And David my servant shall be king over them..."
Probably during the millennium???
Off course I'm not advertising for Berg like Joel does..
I'm talking here about King David of old...
"Jesus came unto His own, and His own received Him Not. (Jn. 1:11)
Who were these people, "His own?" Many would say, the Jews. And they are right, but who are the "Jews?" Paul was of the Tribe of Benjamin, yet he called himself "a Jew."
How can this be? Today, for example, we have Hebrew University in Jerusalem, in the ancient land of Judea, in the nation of Israel, and it’s occupants call themselves Jews. Where did all these names come from?
Biblically speaking there are two broad categories of people in the world--The Children of Israel and the Other nations. Later this designation was shortened to "The Jews and The Gentiles."
HEBREWS, ISRAELITES, AND JEWS
It all began with Eber [Heber] who was the forefather of all Hebrews (Gen.10:21). Abraham [Abram] was of this lineage and so is an "Hebrew." There were other lines of Hebrews also. God changed Abram’s name to Abraham signifying that he would become a "Father of Many Nations" (Gen. 16:7-11). Abraham had a son Isaac, and Isaac had two sons, Esau and Jacob.
God changed Jacob’s name to "Israel" (Gen.. 32:28). And Israel had twelve sons: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Napthali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, and Benjamin (Gen.. 35:23-16), who then became known as "The Children of Israel."
The "Children of Israel" became God’s "chosen" people: "For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto Himself, above all peoples that are upon the face of the earth" (Deut. 7:6).
God’s relationship with Israel was so close that He married them: "For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is His name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall He be called" (Isa. 54:5).
The Tribe of Judah early on was chosen of God to lead in battle (Jg. 1:2). The various Tribes warred against each other during a period of civil wars. They finally became united under two powers, Judah and Israel. David was anointed King of Judah (II Sam. 2:4) and then later King over Israel (II Sam. 5:3).
In I Kg. 12:19-21 Judah (with the tribe of Benjamin) is again at war with Israel. Israel was then known as the "Ten Tribes." Many of the Priests and Levites left Israel and went to Jeru- salem under Judah (II Chron. 11:13).
And so the Kingdom of Israel (with its capital at Samaria), and the Kingdom of Judah (with it’s Capital at Jerusalem) were separate nations for several centuries.
Eventually, Israel was destroyed and driven into captivity by the Assyrians (II Kg. 18:11) and later Judah was destroyed and driven into captivity by Babylon (Jer. 30:9).
Nehemiah comes to power and returns eventually to Jerusalem to rebuild it, and takes Priests and Levites with him (Neh. 2:1-8). Ezra also returns to Jerusalem with a large company of Jews (Ezra 7:8).
"Even all the Jews returned out of all places whither they were driven..." (Jer. 40:11-12)
I doubt that many in Judea and Jerusalem even knew for sure which Tribes they came from by the time of our Lord’s ministry.
To show how dominant Judah was in absorbing all these Tribes and passing on his name to them, look at Judges 17:7:
"And there was a young man out of Bethlehem-judah of the family of Judah, who was a Levite..."
He was a Levite who was considered Juhah’s family.
The Priests, of course, did have to know their lineage or they would not be qualified for the Priesthood. Paul was an extremely well-educated man and therefore did know his lineage. So let’s see if this makes sense now. With all these things in mind, maybe we can better understand how these different names are used and applied to even the same person.
Paul, for example, was an Hebrew (Phil. 3:5) through Abraham (Rom. 11:1), and through Isaac, was an Israelite through Israel (Rom. 11:1), was a Benjamite through the Tribe of Benjamin (Rom. 11:1), from Tarsus of Cilicia (Acts 21:39), was educated in Jerusalem, was trained a Pharisee, under Gamaliel, spoke Hebrew & Greek (Acts 22:2-3), was also a Roman (Acts 16:37), and also calls himself A JEW (Acts 21:39).
So here’s what happened. In the Old Testament all Jews were Israelites, but not all Israelites were Jews. Like all Californians are Americans, but not all Americans are Californians.
But, because Judah was always the dominant Tribe and Israel was once again gathered in Judea under Judah’s leadership, and because many of the individual Tribes became so mixed in inter- tribal and interracial marriage, many became designated as "Jews" in the New Testament. Even today, many known "Jews" may really be "Danites" or "Reubenites" etc. Many thinking themselves Gentiles could really be descendants of Israelites or Jews or other lines of Hebrews and not even know it..
But the point is that at the time of our Lord, Judah (the Jews) dominated to the extent that all non-Gentiles were referred to as Jews, although "Israel" as their historical origin was still used. The name "Israel" is used some 120 times in the N.T., while "Jews" is used some 360 times.
They are all Israelites, but Judah has always dominated.
> I’ll try to free you from your false
> doctrine a little later Lily. Right now I’m
> really busy—Please be patient and I’ll post
> more later.
> Lord, I really pray for Lily, free her from
> this doctrine of devils and help her to
> realize that the ONLY Israel is those who
> have accepted the King of the Jews, Jesus
> Christ.
YOU'RE RIGHT CONCERNING THE SPIRITUAL Israel,and I agree that you and I are spiritual Jews
but the FLESH Jews will also be resurrected and cleaned up may be after the second death and the cleaning effects of the lake of fire and the end of that eon..
Some of them with us at the first resurrection of the dead since some FLESH Jews have accepted Christ THEN YOU'RE RIGHT ON ,BUT CONCERNING THE REST OF THEM there is also hope and a promise...
> I’ll try to free you from your false
> doctrine a little later Lily. Right now I’m
> really busy—Please be patient and I’ll post
> more later.
> Lord, I really pray for Lily, free her from
> this doctrine of devils and help her to
> realize that the ONLY Israel is those who
> have accepted the King of the Jews, Jesus
> Christ.


