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wOO! PREACH IT, BRUTHUH!!
By:Black Bessy
Date: Friday, 27 January 2006, 10:27 am
In Response To: This is an excellent example (ebw)

> Of what happens when someone tries to hold
> on to the Old Testament instead of accepting
> that it is fulfilled and done away with the
> New Testament.

> My faith in Jesus doesn't stem from the fact
> that he was prophesied in the Old Testament.

> Rather, my acceptance of the OT prophets
> depends on the fact that they did prophesy
> of Jesus and that Jesus did say their
> prophecies came from God.

> Without Jesus I would not have any interest
> at all in the OT pqrophecies.

> The only thing that makes the Hebrew culture
> special in any way is Jesus.

> I don't worry about exactly "how"
> Jesus fulfilled each and every one of the OT
> prophecies.

> He said that he did fulfill them, and that's
> enough.

> Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to
> destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not
> come to destroy, but to fulfil.
> 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven
> and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall
> in no wise pass from the law, till all be
> fulfilled.

> Now what did Jesus mean by "the
> law" in that passage?

> Animal sacrifice?

> Yes. Jesus was the once-and-for-all
> fulfillment of animal sacrifice, the
> passover lamb slain from the foundation of
> the earth. He fulfilled the prophecy and the
> law.

> Temple Worship?

> Yes, Jesus is the true "Spiritual"
> temple. Destroyed and rebuilt in three days
> as He promised. He fulfilled the prophecy
> and the law.

> Punishment for sins?

> Yes, Jesus took the legal punishment for all
> our sins. He fulfilled the law.

> The law has all been fulfilled in Jesus.
> Prophecy has all been fulfilled in Jesus.

> We mortals have yet to see the fulfillment
> of certain specific endtime prophecies
> because, as creatures of time, we are not
> capable of seeing the future (physically).
> But we can, like Abraham, see it by faith,
> and be persuaded of it and embrace it. In
> realtime (God's eternal now) those
> prophecies have all been fulfilled already
> (since the foundation of the earth in fact)
> in Jesus.

> As far as the "David" prophecy you
> mentioned is concerned, Jesus is the
> fulfillment of that too.

> As Jesus himself pointed out, contrary to a
> popular misconception, Jesus is NOT the Son
> of David, He is David's Lord.

> Mt 22:42 Saying, What think ye of Christ?
> whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son
> of David. 43 He saith unto them, How then
> doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
> 44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on
> my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy
> footstool? 45 If David then call him Lord,
> how is he his son?

> Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of David,
> because that prophecy was not about David,
> it was about Christ. David was just a very
> imperfect foreshadow of Christ. A cartoon
> character depiction of how Christ rules on
> His throne.

> For those who want to stumble, there are
> many prophecies that could be used as
> stumbling blocks.

> For example, the prophecy that Christ would
> be called Emmanuel.

> "Oh dear, but Jesus wasn't actually
> named actually named "Emmanuel" by
> his parents, so does that mean He isn't the
> messiah???

> No, it just means some people have a
> misunderstanding about how the prophecy
> would be fulfilled.

> Over the centuries many millions of people
> have called Jesus Emmanuel, in songs, in
> prayers, in sermons...
> The prophecy is fulfilled.

> Concerning your belief in a future awakening
> of the Jews and a mass conversion to
> Christianity.

> Why not now?
> Jews are totally free to awaken and convert
> any time they like. The blindness that is
> upon them is there because of unbelief, and
> only belief can ever take it away.

> The blindness will only leave AFTER they
> believe.
> Not before.

> Ro 11:20 ... because of unbelief they were
> broken off,... 23 And they also, if they
> abide not still in unbelief, shall be
> graffed in: for God is able to graff them in
> again.

> The idea that God blinded them purposely to
> keep them from seeing the truth is total
> blasphemy.

> Look at the day of Pentacost. Thousands of
> Jews could see the truth. They weren't
> blind. And over the centuries millions of
> Jews have seen the truth. They weren't
> blind, because they believed.

> It is Orthodox Judaism itself which insists
> on imposing that blindness to the truth of
> Christ as a condition for being Jewish. If a
> Jew believes in Jesus, he is immediately no
> longer even considered to be Jewish by the
> Orthodox Jewish religion.

> "In brief: No Jew accepts Jesus as
> the Messiah. When someone makes that faith
> commitment, they become Christian. It is not
> possible for someone to be both Christian
> and Jewish." Why Jews do not believe
> in Jesus
>
> http://judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_c/bl_jesus.htm
>
> http://www.messianic-racism.mcmail.com/mr/rac/federow.htm
>
> http://www.daniellerice.com/MessianicJudaism.html
>
> http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=42624

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