On quite a few levels I definately agree.

But then again, I can't help but think when I was in the Family if someone had had the courage to talk straight to me, maybe I would have woke up out of fantasy land a lot sooner.

Perhaps, I just don't know. I do know that many have tried to be patient with Joel and his crazy doctrines, that he keeps posting. I honestly tried to take him seriously at first ( many when I first started reading his posts) but trying to make sense of them is agony, and the verses never check out.

So although I do appreciate that OT2 should tone it down, I wondered if it was a guy thing, that maybe the "straight" shooting talk would reach, where none other has.

I feel a lot of pity for Joel, and feel sorrow for the son they lost.

Whether or not it was because he had been so convinced of Berg's return and was shattered at his death, I am not sure.

But it is all very tragic.