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Re: For a strange truth George
By:Charlie
Date: Friday, 27 January 2006, 8:23 am

I'm thankful that you've posted all these scriptures. It's going to save me oodles of time trying to research some of this stuff myself. I'm pretty busy right now and probably wouldn't get to it like I'd like too.

> try this train of thoughts
> first refresh your memory

> 1Cr 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple
> of God, and [that] the Spirit of God
> dwelleth in you?

> 2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple
> of God with idols? for ye are the temple of
> the living God; as God hath said, I will
> dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I
> will be their God, and they shall be my
> people.

> 1Cr 3:17 If any man defile the temple of
> God, him shall God destroy; for the temple
> of God is holy, which temple ye are.

> 1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is
> the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in
> you, which ye have of God, and ye are not
> your own?

> 1Cr 9:13 Do ye not know that they which
> minister about holy things live [of the
> things] of the temple? and they which wait
> at the altar are partakers with the altar?

> Then remember this
> Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth;
> the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that
> I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and
> [they] are life.

> Then this also

> Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's
> day, and heard behind me a great voice, as
> of a trumpet

> Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall
> be clothed in white raiment; and I will not
> blot out his name out of the book of life,
> but I will confess his name before my
> Father, and before his angels
> Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear
> what the Spirit saith unto the churches
> Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant
> to sit with me in my throne, even as I also
> overcame, and am set down with my Father in
> his throne.
> Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear
> what the Spirit saith unto the churches
> *Todays Churches too
> "I am Alpha and Omega, the BEGINNING
> and the ENDING, says the Lord, which IS, and
> which WAS, and which IS TO COME, the
> Almighty" (Rev. 1:8).

> And so our Lord’s testimony of a beast out
> of the sea is a beast out of the sea,
> "which IS, and which WAS, and which IS
> TO COME."

> But how can I say that this beast out of the
> sea is something that already existed at the
> time of John’s writing? Was he not to write
> about "…things which must shortly COME
> TO PASS…"? (Rev. 1:1). Is this not then
> making all that John sees, things that are
> all in the future from the time of his
> vision? No. Everything in this book is part
> of Christ’s testimony, "which IS, and
> which WAS, and which IS TO COME."

> Everyone in religious circles is looking for
> the beast, OUT THERE somewhere. That there
> "is, was, and will be" a beast OUT
> THERE, I have no doubt. But of what great
> concern is that to us? The only beast we
> need to concern ourselves with is the beast
> "within," "the man of
> sin." Just as the many-member beast
> comes "up out of the sea" [of
> humanity], we too came up out of the sea of
> humanity.
> Some will retort: "Beast? What beast? I
> don’t see any beast within myself. I am not
> perfect by any means, but I am certainly not
> a beast."

> Is the beast of Revelation something with
> which only the last generation at the end of
> this age needs concern itself? Was the book
> of Revelation written for the last
> generation only? Of course not. The book of
> Revelation, which is the testimony of Jesus
> Christ was given to the Seven Churches of
> Asia—Asia representing the whole world and
> seven representing the complete and total
> church.

> GOD’S WORD SAYS THAT MAN IS A BEAST

> "Nevertheless man being in honor abides
> not [does not endure]: he is LIKE THE BEASTS
> that perish" and "…he is LIKE THE
> BEASTS that perish: (Ps. 49:12, 20).

> "One of themselves, even a prophet of
> their own, said, The Cretians are always
> liars, EVIL BEASTS, slow bellies [lazy
> gluttons]. This witness is true" (Titus
> 1:12-13).

> "But these, as NATURAL BRUTE BEASTS,
> made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil
> of the things that they understand not; and
> shall utterly perish in their own
> corruption" (II Pet. 2:12).

> "So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was
> as A BEAST before thee" (Psalm 73:22).

> "But these speak evil of those things
> which they know not: but what they know
> naturally, AS BRUTE BEASTS, in those things
> they corrupt themselves" (Jude 10).

> "I said in mine heart concerning the
> estate of the sons of men, that God might
> manifest them, and that they might see that
> they themselves ARE BEASTS"
> (Ecclesiastes 3:18).

> JUST WHAT IS CARNALITY

> What then is it to be carnal or carnally
> minded? It’s not good, I can tell you that.
> It’s a monster—IT’S A BEAST:

> "for to be carnally minded is
> DEATH…"

> And just why is that?

> "Because the carnal mind is enmity
> [DEEP-SEATED HATRED] against God: for it is
> NOT SUBJECT to the [spiritual] law of God,
> neither indeed CAN BE [Gk: ‘is ABLE’]. So
> then they that are in the flesh
> [carnal-minded] CANNOT please God"
> (Rom. 8:6-8).

> Have YOU ever seen yourself as the man of
> sin?

> Do you believe that YOU were once the son of
> perdition?

> Have YOU ever been carnally-minded in your
> walk with God?

> Have YOU ever left your first love?

> Have YOU ever put your hand to the plough
> and looked back?

> Has the spiritual house YOU built upon the
> sand fallen yet?

> Have you fallen from grace since first
> believing?

> No? You say, "NO—NEVER"! Then the
> chances are great that "ye are YET
> carnal."

> THE MAN OF SIN IDENTIFIED

> Paul gives us three revealing factors
> concerning the man of sin (II Thes. 2:4):

> "Who opposes and exalts himself above
> all that is called God, or that is
> worshipped;

> so that he as God sits in the temple of God

> showing himself that he is God"
> These three traits of the man of sin are not
> reserved for some one superhuman that comes
> on the scene at the end of the age. Every
> man in every generation since John and Paul
> first penned their prophecies, have
> manifested these three traits of "the
> man of sin." Well why then haven’t more
> people seen this man of sin through the ages
> and reported on him? For one thing, only
> those who leave their first love, who are
> called and chosen, and have had their house
> build upon the sand come crashing down, are
> able to see the man of sin—the BEAST within.
> And the other reason is that the man of sin
> and beast within are invisible, while the
> church world is always looking for the
> physical.

> The crime of
> "iniquity—LAWLESSNESS" of Matt.
> 7:23, is primarily the belief in one’s own
> sovereignty—commonly called "free
> will." Let’s look at these three
> identifying signs one at a time:

> 1. "Who opposes and exalts himself
> above all that is called God, or that is
> worshipped…"

> And just how does every man do this? In what
> possible way does the average church-goer or
> man in the street actually do this?
> Why by his supposed, "free" will
> of course. According to Church teaching and
> most all teaching of all religions in the
> world, man has a "free" will that
> enables him to THWART the very will of God.
> He may not consciously feel or acknowledge
> that he has this power, but try and talk him
> out of it and see what happens.

> If you or I or anyone can actually and
> factually THWART THE VERY WILL OF GOD, then
> we indeed can "…oppose and exalt
> ourselves above all that is called God, or
> that is worshipped…"

> But this thing we call "free" will
> is an illusion, a phantom, an idol of the
> heart. It has no real existence other than
> in the minds of all those clinging to this
> form of iniquity. I will prove to everyone
> from the Scriptures in the pages to follow
> that this idol of "human free moral
> agency" called "free will" is
> the greatest single SIN that must be removed
> from our consciousness in order to be truly
> spiritually CONVERTED!

> 2. "…so that he as God, sits in the
> temple of God…"

> Is this really speaking of some one
> superhuman future person who will literally
> and physically sit in a temple called
> "the temple of God" and declare to
> the world that HE IS THE CREATOR OF THE
> UNIVERSE?
> Would ANYONE of normal intelligence be
> deceived by such an absurd boast? I think
> not! But this man of sin of which Paul
> speaks certainly has "…DECEIVED THE
> WHOLE WORLD…" (Rev. 12:9).

> Jesus Christ has taught us that, "…the
> words that I speak unto you, they are
> SPIRIT…" (John 6:63). Why then would we
> conclude that the words that Paul spoke unto
> us are NOT SPIRIT? After all, Whose words
> did Paul speak, anyway? Answer:

> "If any man teach otherwise, and
> consent not to wholesome words [what
> wholesome words? Whose wholesome words?],
> even THE WORDS OF OUR LORD JESUS
> CHRIST…" (I Tim. 6:3).

> "ALL Scripture is given by inspiration
> of God…" (II Tim. 3:16)

> The words of Paul that have become Scripture
> were inspired of God, and they were the same
> words as "…THE WORDS OF OUR LORD JESUS
> CHRIST…"

> Now then, with this spiritual Truth in mind,
> why oh why would anyone be looking for a man
> of sin to be sitting in a LITERAL TEMPLE
> claiming himself to be God? No one man of
> sin sits in the temple of God claiming to be
> God, but ALL MEN EVERYWHERE AND IN ALL
> GENERATIONS have sat in the temple of God
> claiming themselves to be God!

> WHAT DOES PAUL MEAN BY "THE TEMPLE OF
> GOD"

> What "temple of God" is Paul
> speaking of? We read in Acts that Paul went
> into the literal, physical Temple in
> Jerusalem, but when he wrote to those in his
> charge in his epistles (which later became
> Scripture), what kind of a Temple of God did
> he talk about?

> "Know ye not that YE ARE [1] THE TEMPLE
> OF GOD, and that the Spirit of God DWELLS IN
> YOU?" (I Cor. 3:16).

> "If any man defile the [2] TEMPLE OF
> GOD, him shall God destroy; for the [3] THE
> TEMPLE OF GOD is holy, which temple YE
> ARE" (I Cor. 3:17).

> "What? Know ye not that YOUR BODY IS
> [4] THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT which is
> in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not
> your own? (I Cor. 6:19).

> "And what agreement has the [5] TEMPLE
> OF GOD with idols? For YE ARE [6] THE TEMPLE
> OF THE LIVING GOD: as God has said, I will
> dwell IN them, and walk IN them; and I will
> be their God, and they shall be my
> people" (II Cor. 6:16).

> "For through Him WE both have access by
> one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye
> are no more strangers and foreigners, but
> fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the
> household [family] of God: And are built
> upon the foundation of the apostles and
> prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the
> chief corner stone; In whom [the SAINTS] all
> the building fitly framed together grows
> unto [7] AN HOLY TEMPLE IN THE LORD: In Whom
> YE also are built together for an habitation
> of God through the spirit" (Eph.
> 2:18-22).

> Seven times Paul assures us that, YE [we]
> ARE the Temple of God, the habitation for
> His Holy Spirit. Seven, the number of
> completeness, of total spiritual truth. Do
> we suppose that after speaking of us, we,
> our bodies, being the temple of God seven
> times, that he all of a sudden he has
> reference to a PHYSICAL TEMPLE MADE WITH
> STONES?
> Absolutely not! This is parable. Don’t think
> that Paul (just as his Lord) did not speak
> in parables, he did:

> "And if some of the branches be broken
> off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, were
> grafted in among them, and with them
> partakers of the foot and fatness of the
> olive tree" (Rom. 11:17).

> Paul is not teaching us about horticulture
> in this verse. It is a parable.

> "Or saith he it altogether for our
> sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is
> written: that he that plows should plow in
> hope; and he that threshes in hope should be
> partaker of his hope" (I Cor. 9:10).

> Paul is not teaching plowing and threshing
> methods here, but a spiritual truth. It is a
> parable.

> "And let us not be weary in well doing:
> for in due season we shall reap, if we faint
> not" (Gal. 6:9).

> Paul isn’t speaking of reaping crops in a
> field. It is a parable.

> Paul used dozens and dozens of parables in
> His teachings. II Thes 2 is a parable with
> profound spiritual meaning.

> THE MAN OF SIN SITS ON THE THRONE OF HIS OWN
> CARNAL MIND, IN HIS OWN BODY CLAIMING POWERS
> THAT RIVAL THOSE OF GOD HIMSELF! Our man of
> sin claims a spiritual power so great that
> it believes it can literally thwart and
> dethrone God Himself from our hearts. This
> super-natural power of the will is assumed
> by nearly everyone in the whole world.

> 3. "…showing himself that he is
> God."

> Even when we realize that Paul’s teaching is
> spiritual, that this man of sin is
> representative of all humanity, we might
> feel that there is a problem with the third
> part of this description. What individual
> actually believes that he is, himself, the
> Creator God of the Universe? Even the most
> vanity-filled egotist would hardly claim to
> "BE God."

> I believe this phrase should be translated
> "showing himself that he is a
> god."

> Notice how the Emphatic Diaglott translates
> II Thes. 2:4 (from the interlineary):

> "…the son of destruction, he opposing
> and lifting up himself above all being
> called a god or an august object, so that
> him into the temple of the God to be seated,
> openly showing himself, that he is a
> god"

> The Epistles of Paul by W. J. Conybeare has
> "a God" with a capital G, although
> I don’t see the reason for the Capital:

> "…even to seat himself in the temple of
> God, and openly declare himself a God"

> The New American Bible also translates this
> phrase as "a god":

> "…who opposes and exalts himself above
> every so-called god and object of worship,
> so as to seat himself in the temple of God,
> claiming that he is a god."

> And therefore, if anyone could: (1) bring
> about thoughts or actions that have NO
> CAUSE, that is thoughts and actions that
> were created by the person himself and were
> not influenced, caused, made, forced, or in
> another way brought about, and that (2) such
> a person would then have the power to THWART
> THE VERY WILL OF GOD, by thinking and doing
> things that God does not approve of, but
> would never interfere with, then, indeed,
> that person could claim to be "a
> god"!!

> And it is this very "god" that
> sits on the throne of men’s hearts, which
> throne was created for Jesus Christ to be
> seated in the power of Holy Spirit.

> And just how powerful is this
> "god" that sits on the throne of
> all unconverted men? It is so powerful that
> those who presume to possess this will of
> the mind that is absolutely "FREE"
> from any and all causality, can either bring
> about their own salvation or choose to
> reject their own salvation, AND NO POWER IN
> HEAVEN OR EARTH CAN THWART THEM. THEY can
> thwart God’s purpose, but GOD cannot thwart
> their purpose. That my friends is
> "…OPPOSING and EXALTING oneself above
> all that is called God, or that is
> worshipped; so that such an one as God sits
> in the temple of God [which temple our
> bodies are] showing oneself that he IS a
> god" .

> THE BEAST,THE ANTICHRIST is me or you or
> anyone standing and setting himself against
> God in His own temple

> THE Antichrist may have come and gone, but
> there are still "many antichrists"
> (1 Jn. 2:18) at work in our world. We still
> need Revelation, like we need the rest of
> the Bible, today.

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