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The Presence I speak of is linked to "the times of
By:Joel
Date: Saturday, 28 January 2006, 3:38 pm
In Response To: "sign of thy COMING/PAROUSIA" (Daniel)

refreshing" and "restitution of the Word" in Act 3:19-21. I believe this specific Presence occurs during the 2300 days of Dan. 8:14, when the Word is unsealed!-Dan.12:4,9 This is the time of education of the "firstfruits" B4 His visible coming.-1Cor.15:23 The activity in Psalm 68 will be due to this Presence.-68:2,8

> I believe that the disciples at the time Mt
> 24 was taking place were NOT thinking about
> the so-called "2nd Coming" and the
> "end of the KOSMOS". At the time
> they framed the question, they thought:
> "the kingdom of God should immediately
> appear" Lk 19:11 They were asking Jesus
> for a 'sign' that would serve to tip them
> off so they'd be ready to fight. I think
> Jesus' answer must have totally mystified
> them.

> They were NOT asking about His "2nd
> COMING" but about "His
> PRESENCE" and the "end" of
> that then present "aion/age" and
> the beginning of the Messianic
> "aion/age"

> Actually, the word "return" is not
> used here at all. The word is
> "coming".

> "The Greek word PAROUSIA is
> translated as "coming" in your
> King James Bible, and that is where a lot of
> the problems with the so-called "second
> coming" begin. The word actually means
> "along side" or
> "presence." And there are many,
> many scriptures that the Bible projects as
> talking about the "coming" of the
> Lord that are not talking at all about a
> physical descent of Jesus from the sky. They
> speak rather of His coming in us, His
> appearing through us, the glory of the
> fullness of the presence of the Lord in the
> midst of the church, the presence of the
> Lord in the earth.

> "The word PAROUSIA is used twice in the
> New Testament when it does not apply to
> Jesus, but to the apostle Paul. These, and
> other, uses of the word establish its real
> meaning. Paul expresses others' appraisal of
> him, saying, "His letters, say they,
> are weighty and powerful; but his bodily
> presence (PAROUSIA) is weak" (II Cor.
> 10:10). And again, writing to the saints at
> Philippi, Paul says, "Wherefore, my
> beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in
> my presence (PAROUSIA) only, but now much
> more in my absence, work out your own
> salvation with fear and trembling"
> (Phil. 2:12).

> "It can be seen at once that the use of
> the word "coming" to translate the
> Greek word PAROUSIA in the foregoing texts
> would have given an entirely wrong meaning
> to Paul's words. In these passages it is the
> PRESENCE of a human being that is involved,
> so we understand what Paul means. It is not
> discussing his "coming" or
> "arrival," but his actual presence
> in their midst after having arrived. So we
> need only to move from the understandable
> into the realm in which we do not fully
> understand in order to realize what the
> scriptures mean which discuss the PAROUSIA
> of our Lord; that meaning being His ACTUAL
> PRESENCE, not His "coming." And
> many of these references are not future
> tense!"

> Well, I don't think the disciples did but
> Jesus did.

> Joel is always talking about the
> "PRESENCE of the Lord" as a
> revelation that is yet future. I think it is
> past, present and future. I think that is
> the key to Revelation and the key to
> understanding the "Coming or
> Presence" of the Lord. That His
> "Presence" is indeed with us now
> but that at some future date "after the
> tribulation of those days" His Presence
> will be revealed IN us in great
> "glory".

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