> My views toward Brother Paul also have
> moderated with time, particularly as I began
> to understand more about the context of his
> teachings.

> Sounds a eerily like Zerby & her company
> of witches.

to me it sounds like modern women in general, drugs, sexual "freedom" (sex in the city model) that's why I feel his words still apply, because society really hasn't changed that much!

> This is where I have a problem with Paul's
> pre-scientific metaphysics. Either I don't
> understand the Greek philosophical concept
> of "source," or the way I
> currently understand it, I can't accept it.
> What does it mean to say Adam is the source
> of Eve?

I'm not sure either what that means. Is it in reference to the whole rib thing?

> The same word is also used in the Gospel
> of John, where we see Mary ministering at
> the Shabbos table to the community of faith.

> Seems to me you're well acquainted with the
> historical research on the patriarchal
> influence over the development of the early
> church.

I know there has been tons of abuse in the whole patriarchal thing, but still, I like the idea of man being the head of the house, I don't have a problem with that. Although when I say this, my husband always laugh, I guess I'm only submissive in my own mind!

> Thanks for the links and references.
> Whenever I have the heart to look into this
> subject again, I'd like to review the
> protestant & evangelical scholarship. As
> a group, these churches have come a lot
> further than the catholics, who seem to have
> chiseled the male domination thing in stone.

Well I guess they would disgree and say it was chiseled in the Bible! ;}