> I have come to feel that some of the
> underlying and devastating principals that
> seem to bring women under
> "condemnation" and push us toward
> depression and self effacement is the way we
> as women look at ourselves, especially
> Christian women. Among the fundamental and
> Charismatic Christian world the basic
> teaching on women holds the Bill Gothard/
> Wayne Grudem opinion of woman as subservient
> and to be kept under male authority because
> she is deemed weak minded, emotional and
> unable to see the big picture.

Woodie, would you tell me if you see other connections/similarities btw Gothard and Grudem besides this one regarding the woman's role in the church? I am fairly familiar with Gothard. I attended one seminar, read some of his books, and know people who are followers. All that I know about Grudem is from his Systematic Theology book. I read the introduction to the section on women in the church last night b/c I wanted to see exactly what he thought. I admit that I haven't read it all, as yet, but the introductory paragraph was very fair, imo. It is not my desire to attack you on your perceptions or thoughts regarding women in the church. I know that you have studied this area far more than I have; so if you would share why it is that you couple Gothard and Grudem, I feel that I might have a better understanding of your position. And, if you don't mind, I might ask you further questions or make further comments.